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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-dup-deal-latest-news-northern-ireland-unionists-hung-parliament-minority-abortion-gay-rights-a7808151.html

Tory-DUP deal: Why are the Northern Irish unionists so controversial?

"Theresa May has secured a deal with the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) after shock election losses saw the Conservatives fail to win a Commons majority.

The deal comes after weeks of negotiations and will secure the DUP's backing on confidence and supply votes, preventing the weakened Conservatives from being brought down by motions of no confidence.

However the agreement has sparked a furious backlash over the DUPís record on issues including LGBTQ+ rights and abortion, and how the arrangement could jeopardise Northern Ireland's peace process.

Here are some of the most controversial positions held by the party:".

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It's a religious thing, Andra, the reason they oppose gay rights, gay marriage and abortion is because of religion. This is the reason I am not religious.
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That is rather a simplistic analysis of the DUP's political position.

My wife is better qualified to speak about Northern Irish politics than I am since her father is from Ulster.

Perhaps I should ask her to join this forum.

But I warn people in advance that she would vote DUP if she lived in Northern Ireland even though she disagrees with them on gay marriage and several other issues.

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Yes...I live in the US.

But everything I have read about the DUP disgusts me.


I think it would be great if your wife joins this forum.

I have found that people are usually married to people of app. equal intelligence.

If that holds she would be a great asset to this forum.
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I will ask her to join.

Her attitude to the DUP would be (broadly - she can explain it much better than me) that they represent the majority of the people of Northern Ireland and that their principal goal is to maintain the union between Ulster and the United Kingdom.

They spent many years dealing with IRA terrorism - an activity that Ronald Reagan funded as he did many other terrorist groups including the Taliban whom he compared with the Founding Fathers! - and so after thirty years of intensive sectarian murder by the IRA - including extensive bombing campaigns - bitterness is understandable.

For what it is worth Sinn Fein and the now almost extinct SDLP take the same position on abortion and gay rights as the DUP and the political philosophy of Sinn Fein is essentially fascist. The Provos official political programme was (when it first came out - it has since been updated to give it a more pseudo-Marxist slant though the racism remains in a less overt way) consciously modelled on the Greek colonel's military dictatorship.

I realise that many people have a view of Irish history that is often based on lies and propaganda rather than sober fact. One of the most blatant examples of this is the mythical massacre of Drogheda when Cromwell invaded.

Not only did Cromwell invade Ireland because the Catholics were engaged in wholesale massacre of the Protestants - including promising them their lives if they converted and then killing them anyways - but if you read the minutes of the Drogheda town council it is quite clear that NO massacre by Cromwell's troops took place.

In the first place, under the rules of law at that time, even if it HAD it would have been lawful as the besieged garrison had refused to surrender.

Secondly, the soldiers garrisoning Drogheda were ENGLISH and overwhelmingly Protestant. They were Royalist soldiers.

Thirdly, and most tellingly of all, for quite some time - including the day BEFORE the town was captured - the town council kept meeting and complaining about 'the deplorable state of the street lighting.' On the day of its capture the minutes are silent. The very NEXT day - the day FOLLOWING the mythical massacre - the town council - supposedly murdered in cold blood - met again to - guess what? Yes, that's right; to complain about 'the deplorable state of the street lighting.'

But sadly Sinn Fein lives on lies and propaganda.

Recently even Irish historians have begun to try and present a more rounded view of Irish history.

The result, predictably, has been that they have been vilified and even threatened.

So if my wife - whose father was forced out of his own city of Londonderry by IRA violence - is a supporter of the DUP rather than of Sinn Fein it's not simply because she is a Protestant.

It has far more to do with the repulsive fascism of Sinn Fein.

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The history of the Sinn Fein is fascinating.

I used to live in Boston and now live in a suburb of Boston.

So the Sinn Fein certainly has its supporters here...still...and has for a very long time.


On another topic...I just want to say I for one am very glad you are posting more on this forum.

You add so very much. Thank you.
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